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	<title>Comments on: Gallaudet PR Says This Injury is NOT Serious? &#8211; Image Link</title>
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	<description>Casting the mask of tyranny aside</description>
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		<title>By: privateinvestigator</title>
		<link>http://privateinvestigator.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/gallaudet-pr-says-this-injury-is-not-serious-image-link/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>privateinvestigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out the part where the gurneys are custom-made Craftmatic adjustable beds. :)

But you just stated that the students do not have the legal right to block the gates, i.e. doing something illegal. Therefore, they should have been arrested, no?

This is where the legal ramifications bog down...in the marsh of civil and criminal liability.

An ugly situation regardless.</description>
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<p>But you just stated that the students do not have the legal right to block the gates, i.e. doing something illegal. Therefore, they should have been arrested, no?</p>
<p>This is where the legal ramifications bog down&#8230;in the marsh of civil and criminal liability.</p>
<p>An ugly situation regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Working_Brain</title>
		<link>http://privateinvestigator.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/gallaudet-pr-says-this-injury-is-not-serious-image-link/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Working_Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re forgetting something, PI.  DPS had a legal right to roust the students.  Once they were ordered to move away, whatever happened to them after that point, from a liability standpoint, is the students&#039; fault.  Let me put it this way.  Students do *not* have a legal right to block the gates.  Is that clear enough for you?  

I&#039;m not pleased that the administration has been allowing them to block gates for so long, but the damage to Gallaudet&#039;s image that would ensue from having them forcibly removed -- as we saw this week -- seems to outweigh the minor inconveniences of allowing students to block the gates.  so far.  

Here&#039;s my fantasy of how I&#039;d resolve the situation.  I&#039;d call in the National Guard.  The soldiers will be wearing cotton flannel pajamas and bunny slippers.  They&#039;d have specially made gloves of lamb&#039;s wool fleece.  Each soldier will be accompanied by an RID-certified ASL interpreter ($80/hour, minimum 2 hour assignment).  The protesting student will be wrapped in a sleeping bag with holes cut into it for his/her arms and hands, loaded onto a gurney, put in an ambulance, flown to Elko, Nevada, and taken to a hospital there for a full physical exam to make sure no injuries occurred.  their pictures will be taken.  Then the gates of Gallaudet will be closed, and no one can get in without having his/her picture ID scanned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re forgetting something, PI.  DPS had a legal right to roust the students.  Once they were ordered to move away, whatever happened to them after that point, from a liability standpoint, is the students&#8217; fault.  Let me put it this way.  Students do *not* have a legal right to block the gates.  Is that clear enough for you?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not pleased that the administration has been allowing them to block gates for so long, but the damage to Gallaudet&#8217;s image that would ensue from having them forcibly removed &#8212; as we saw this week &#8212; seems to outweigh the minor inconveniences of allowing students to block the gates.  so far.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my fantasy of how I&#8217;d resolve the situation.  I&#8217;d call in the National Guard.  The soldiers will be wearing cotton flannel pajamas and bunny slippers.  They&#8217;d have specially made gloves of lamb&#8217;s wool fleece.  Each soldier will be accompanied by an RID-certified ASL interpreter ($80/hour, minimum 2 hour assignment).  The protesting student will be wrapped in a sleeping bag with holes cut into it for his/her arms and hands, loaded onto a gurney, put in an ambulance, flown to Elko, Nevada, and taken to a hospital there for a full physical exam to make sure no injuries occurred.  their pictures will be taken.  Then the gates of Gallaudet will be closed, and no one can get in without having his/her picture ID scanned.</p>
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		<title>By: privateinvestigator</title>
		<link>http://privateinvestigator.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/gallaudet-pr-says-this-injury-is-not-serious-image-link/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>privateinvestigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voice:

Yes, it is a matter of scale but it needs to be considered in the context of how the injury was sustained as well.

The protestor who lost the toenail was unquestionably actively resisting the efforts of DPS/PPD as they breached the gate.

Would the injury have occurred if DPS/PPD had not tried to breach the gate?

No.

Was it the protestors&#039; fault?

Paul Kelly was screaming his head off demanding that the protestors at the gate be arrested...and with good reason.

If the protestors had been arrested then the administration could argue that any injuries that resulted from DPS/PPD were due to the illegal activities of the protestors present at the gate and thus the university would not be liable.

However, since the protestors were not arrested, their actions are not considered illegal. The adminstration is now placed in the unenviable position of having to explain why protestors were injured as a result of DPS/PPD&#039;s actions.

The press release purposely downplayed the severity of the injuries for obvious reasons. No sane college administrator would ever want to admit that their decisions resulted in serious injuries.

I smell lawsuits being filed this very moment. No wonder Paul Kelly screamed his head off; he probably had already calculated the cost of the settlements in his head right then and there.

And, to consider the degree of scale being discussed here...

Of course it doesn&#039;t appease the mother or father who sees their son or daughter return from a war with an arm or a leg missing due to &quot;combat action that resulted in casualties, none lethal&quot; as reported.

But wouldn&#039;t you be outraged to learn that your child was injured, regardless of severity, by university personnel during a protest geared to simply removing a president and that your child, according to the police on scene, had done nothing illegal at the time of injury?

Under any other circumstances, heads would roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voice:</p>
<p>Yes, it is a matter of scale but it needs to be considered in the context of how the injury was sustained as well.</p>
<p>The protestor who lost the toenail was unquestionably actively resisting the efforts of DPS/PPD as they breached the gate.</p>
<p>Would the injury have occurred if DPS/PPD had not tried to breach the gate?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Was it the protestors&#8217; fault?</p>
<p>Paul Kelly was screaming his head off demanding that the protestors at the gate be arrested&#8230;and with good reason.</p>
<p>If the protestors had been arrested then the administration could argue that any injuries that resulted from DPS/PPD were due to the illegal activities of the protestors present at the gate and thus the university would not be liable.</p>
<p>However, since the protestors were not arrested, their actions are not considered illegal. The adminstration is now placed in the unenviable position of having to explain why protestors were injured as a result of DPS/PPD&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>The press release purposely downplayed the severity of the injuries for obvious reasons. No sane college administrator would ever want to admit that their decisions resulted in serious injuries.</p>
<p>I smell lawsuits being filed this very moment. No wonder Paul Kelly screamed his head off; he probably had already calculated the cost of the settlements in his head right then and there.</p>
<p>And, to consider the degree of scale being discussed here&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course it doesn&#8217;t appease the mother or father who sees their son or daughter return from a war with an arm or a leg missing due to &#8220;combat action that resulted in casualties, none lethal&#8221; as reported.</p>
<p>But wouldn&#8217;t you be outraged to learn that your child was injured, regardless of severity, by university personnel during a protest geared to simply removing a president and that your child, according to the police on scene, had done nothing illegal at the time of injury?</p>
<p>Under any other circumstances, heads would roll.</p>
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		<title>By: A Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had my toenail removed.

It hurt.  Bad.

But I got my toenail restored over time.  

I have had my a bone inside my wrist broken.

It hurt.  Bad.

But it healed fully.

Both injuries are not serious.  It is a injury that needs to be treated, but not on an emergency basis.  In fact, I never went to the ER for the toenail.  I went to my doctor 3 weeks later for the broken wrist when personal treatment (wrist brace) fails to produce the expected results.

To a mother, an ear infection is a serious injury, but to a typical doctor, that, plus the above two situations are not.

It is a matter of scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had my toenail removed.</p>
<p>It hurt.  Bad.</p>
<p>But I got my toenail restored over time.  </p>
<p>I have had my a bone inside my wrist broken.</p>
<p>It hurt.  Bad.</p>
<p>But it healed fully.</p>
<p>Both injuries are not serious.  It is a injury that needs to be treated, but not on an emergency basis.  In fact, I never went to the ER for the toenail.  I went to my doctor 3 weeks later for the broken wrist when personal treatment (wrist brace) fails to produce the expected results.</p>
<p>To a mother, an ear infection is a serious injury, but to a typical doctor, that, plus the above two situations are not.</p>
<p>It is a matter of scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Riley</title>
		<link>http://privateinvestigator.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/gallaudet-pr-says-this-injury-is-not-serious-image-link/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a very sick, sick person. Working Brain.  Go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a very sick, sick person. Working Brain.  Go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Shae's Tired of Ignorant Folk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shae's Tired of Ignorant Folk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh... I, wholeheartedly, sympathize with families with soldiers overseas. My niece&#039;s father will soon be in Iraq, I fear for him. I have cousins out there as well. It&#039;s sad, but its due to THEM that we can talk the way we do. I pray for these people on a daily basis. H O W E V E R, the point of this article was not to exaggerate nor minimize an injury, it was to emphasize the &quot;point-out-blank&quot; lying of the GU&#039;s PR office and Admins. If you disagree with this protest, no problem-that&#039;s your American-given right (thanks to those overseas and elsewhere), but don&#039;t try to say &quot;he&#039;ll get over it&quot; until you get your toenail jerked out of your toe along with some flesh, in the cold and damp weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230; I, wholeheartedly, sympathize with families with soldiers overseas. My niece&#8217;s father will soon be in Iraq, I fear for him. I have cousins out there as well. It&#8217;s sad, but its due to THEM that we can talk the way we do. I pray for these people on a daily basis. H O W E V E R, the point of this article was not to exaggerate nor minimize an injury, it was to emphasize the &#8220;point-out-blank&#8221; lying of the GU&#8217;s PR office and Admins. If you disagree with this protest, no problem-that&#8217;s your American-given right (thanks to those overseas and elsewhere), but don&#8217;t try to say &#8220;he&#8217;ll get over it&#8221; until you get your toenail jerked out of your toe along with some flesh, in the cold and damp weather.</p>
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		<title>By: Working_Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working_Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MZ, you&#039;re right!!!! why did I not see this before?  Brian&#039;s injury, and the brutal, traumatic assaults of deaf students by DPS and PPD is exactly equivalent to the 4 students getting murdered by National Guard at Kent State ... the slaughter of Native American women and children at Wounded Knee ... the loss of 3,000 lives on 9/11/01 ... the murdered civil rights workers in Mississippi ... the 4 murdered black girls in the church bombing in Alabama.  Oh, thank you, Mishka Zena, for educating me.  I apologize to Brian Morrison for minimizing his injury.  I was so blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MZ, you&#8217;re right!!!! why did I not see this before?  Brian&#8217;s injury, and the brutal, traumatic assaults of deaf students by DPS and PPD is exactly equivalent to the 4 students getting murdered by National Guard at Kent State &#8230; the slaughter of Native American women and children at Wounded Knee &#8230; the loss of 3,000 lives on 9/11/01 &#8230; the murdered civil rights workers in Mississippi &#8230; the 4 murdered black girls in the church bombing in Alabama.  Oh, thank you, Mishka Zena, for educating me.  I apologize to Brian Morrison for minimizing his injury.  I was so blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mishka Zena</title>
		<link>http://privateinvestigator.wordpress.com/2006/10/25/gallaudet-pr-says-this-injury-is-not-serious-image-link/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishka Zena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was another student whose knee was slammed with a metal pipe. He had to go to the ER, too. 

Working Brain, How do you think readers feel when they see you minimizing the injuries, but this is so typical of Gally administrators. Fortunately both the local and national media took this very seriously. We live in America, not Iraqi and there is never an excuse for DPS, PPDs and rental cops to assault the students. They violated the laws and they will be held accountable as the students have already filed charges at the police department.  They also violated the university  staff conduct policy, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was another student whose knee was slammed with a metal pipe. He had to go to the ER, too. </p>
<p>Working Brain, How do you think readers feel when they see you minimizing the injuries, but this is so typical of Gally administrators. Fortunately both the local and national media took this very seriously. We live in America, not Iraqi and there is never an excuse for DPS, PPDs and rental cops to assault the students. They violated the laws and they will be held accountable as the students have already filed charges at the police department.  They also violated the university  staff conduct policy, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Working_Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working_Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PI, a torn toenail is very painful but not fatal.  Brian Morrison will recover.  He&#039;ll be able to walk, there will be no permanent impairment of any of his life functions.  I don&#039;t see folks getting quite so upset knowing that American soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq are literally losing their limbs and lives by the thousands every day.  Get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PI, a torn toenail is very painful but not fatal.  Brian Morrison will recover.  He&#8217;ll be able to walk, there will be no permanent impairment of any of his life functions.  I don&#8217;t see folks getting quite so upset knowing that American soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq are literally losing their limbs and lives by the thousands every day.  Get real.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Schroeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://carl-schroeder.blogspot.com/2006/10/gally-pr-herr-goebbels-of-hitlers.html#links&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read <a href="http://carl-schroeder.blogspot.com/2006/10/gally-pr-herr-goebbels-of-hitlers.html#links" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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